By Blai on Saturday, January 19, 2002 - 01:42 pm:

tengo varios problemas con el WingMan force 3d, entre ellos que cuando enciendo el ordenador con el joystich conectado me sale un mensaje de "sea producido una excepción.....", teniendo que reiniciar el equipo , desconectando previamente el joystich.
conectándolo en caliente no hay problema.
mi siguiente problema es que no puedo jugar con el joystich, tengo los juegos LEGENDS of Might and Magic, F/A-18, F22 lightning, superbike world champions.
mi equipo es AMD K7 1.333 DDR 256, guillemot 4000XT 64MB.
qué puedo hacer.

By Anonymous on Monday, January 14, 2002 - 01:21 pm:

I had a similiar problem problem with MOMO in Nascar4 in Windows 98 Special Ed (SE) so that after several laps racing my controller was "lost".

Proc: AMD 1.7
MB: K7T266Pro2


The latest via drivers solved the problem.

By James Taylor on Sunday, January 13, 2002 - 11:57 pm:

Well after spending a long time trying to fix my problem (See the James Taylor message below) I rang logitech support to see if they had any idea.

After telling the bloke that the same thing happens on 3 different computers with totally different hardware he said it has to be a faulty stick.

So I took it back to the shop again and this time I got a replacement.

And you know what - the new one works just fine!
It was a faulty stick after all!

Hurrah!

By Anonymous on Saturday, January 5, 2002 - 09:45 am:

I also get the drop outs of force feedback, but the stick controls remain.

A work around I use is to ensure that I am grasping the stick before any feedback effects occur.

If the feedback effects in the game have started before i hold the stick. I grasp the stick and move it slightly as i feel the feedback build up.

So it seems yoour better off making sure your hand is on the stick before a FF effect takes place, not after the effect has already started.

Also. I would not constantly unplug the power cord and repluging it in, over and over. Could damage your stick.

By aidan on Saturday, January 5, 2002 - 08:53 am:

VIA chipset ? If yes go to

http://www.viaarena.com/

or

http://www.usbman.com/Guides/VIA%20Tips%20and%20Tricks.htm

for troubeshooting tips and the latest drivers

By simracer on Saturday, January 5, 2002 - 08:42 am:

Have the same problem here with my USB mouse. Works for about 2 minutes and stops responding. Changed to a PS/2 mouse and no more lockups. I need to buy a new wheel but most new ones seem to be USB. I think I'm going to be in trouble.

System:
AMD 1700+ AthlonXP
ESC K7S5A MB
Visiontek GeForce2 MX400
256 DDR Ram

By Anonymous on Wednesday, January 2, 2002 - 01:54 am:

I have also a very similar problem, and I have started suffering it very recently, I think it may started since I installed a 3Com ADSL USB modem.
Machine:

CPU: K6 III 400
Memory: 64 Mb
MB: ASUS P5A (ALi Chipset)
OS: Win98 SE
DX8.1 installed
Wingman SW: 4.11C
Device: LWFF

Symptoms:
The wheel is detected at windows boot, and responds normally when checked from the game devices window. Then, when entering in many games, it more or less freezes at some point. In some other games it works perfectly. Previously it worked in ALL games.

Examples:
The need for Speed 5, works perfectly.
Extreme Rally, first time it gets configured, the game frozes and fails with a GPF. Reboot, enter again the game without entering the wheel setup and it works.
CMR2, the wheel is not detected in the game nor in the setup, and the USB hangs. Need to Reboot
Viper Racing, the wheel is detected first time in the setup of the game, but going to the game play hangs the USB. Need to Reboot
Paris-Dakar Rally; wheel is detected in the setup of the game, but hangs at gameplay. USB gets hung and need to reboot.
Demolition Racer; same as Paris-Dakar Rally

Note than when the wheel hangs, the whole USB bus gets hung. All the testing have been done with the modem out out of the USB, but when plugged again, windows doesn't recognize it unless you reboot.

I was lucky to find NFS5 was working; I thought my LWFF was broken (hardware).

Any idea? Many thanks in advance.
-Virgilio

By James Taylor on Wednesday, December 26, 2001 - 11:05 pm:

Hi ppl,

I'm having a similar problem.
Except I don't have a VIA chipset.
I have an ABit BX6r2 motherboard with the Intel 82371AB/EB USB controller. I have a Celeron 300A CPU.

I am having this problem with the Wingman Force 3D USB joystick.

I tested it on my brothers Duron/VIA system too (before I found this site) and it did the same thing so I took it back to the shop.
However on their computer with Win XP it worked fine so they wouldn't exchange it.

I've upgraded as many drivers as I can find but it still stops working after a while. Unplugging and plugging it back in makes it work again. Sometimes it stops after only a few seconds, average around 30 seconds and sometimes it will go a few minutes before it stops responding.

I haven't upgraded the drivers on my brothers computer yet so I'll give that a go and see if I can get it going on his.

I have a feeling it is a Win98SE problem. But I don't have any other OS's around to test it on... *woe*

I'll post if I have any success.

James.

By Anonymous on Monday, December 24, 2001 - 01:26 pm:

Did you read this ?

http://www.usbman.com/Guides/SiS%20USB%20Tips%20and%20Tricks.htm

how about asking Santa Claus for an add on USB card ?

By Pim-NL on Monday, December 24, 2001 - 12:47 pm:

Sorry to hear you have the same problem EmeraldEdge. It seems we have the exact same problem and different motherboards and different bridges to the USB port. Makes one think. Meanwhile it drives me nuts. Tried other USB settings in the BIOS. No luck. Tried USB filtering. No luck either. Got latest drivers from everywhere. No luck.
By the way, I have the problem not only with flight simulators, but with every game using the stick!
What appears to be strange is that my Logitech webcam does not give problems on the USB port. Hence it appears to be in the drivers of the joystick.
Tom my man, any solutions?

By Tom (Tom) on Sunday, December 23, 2001 - 05:12 pm:

I don't have any experience with SiS chipsets. The VIA patch won't help you; it's designed for VIA chips only, and 98 Second Edition only (I think).

You might gather some good info at USBMan, in particular on this page, http://www.usbman.com/Guides/SiS%20USB%20Tips%20and%20Tricks.htm

good luck,
..tom

By EmeraldEdge on Sunday, December 23, 2001 - 04:31 pm:

I have what sounds like the same problem.

AMD 1700+ AthlonXP
ESC K7S5A motherboard
Visiontek GeForce2mx 64
256 pc133 SDRAM

I am playing CombatFlightSim2 and all of a sudden the joystick will go dead. I pull the connector out and push back in, but the entire port goes dead. Rebooting solves the issue. Anyone know a solution? It's the SiS 735 chipset on the motherboard, so the VIA thing won't work, right?

By Pim-NL on Saturday, December 15, 2001 - 01:48 pm:

O, and I already tried the Q240075 fix of MS. Not a solution.

By Pim-NL on Saturday, December 15, 2001 - 01:44 pm:

Unplugging the stick makes it go away in the Gaming Option control panel.
However replugging makes Win98 find a new unknown device. Sure enough it doesn't show up again in the Gaming Option control panel and in the system panel it shows as an unknown USB device.
Bye bye. So fa I reboot to get it all back.
Pim
PS Today I was kind of lucky. It took more than an hour before the stick was dropped. Usually it is after 20-40 minutes.

Any ideas?

By Tom (Tom) on Wednesday, December 12, 2001 - 08:55 pm:

VIA chipset? Did you get the update from Microsoft (Windows Update) - see also http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;Q240075

Other VIA funkyness? Looks a lot like that. http://www.usbman.com and http://www.viaarena.com have quite a lot (too much?) of sometimes good info...

Does the stick go away out of the Gaming Options control panel, when you unplug it? What about when you plug it back in?

If nothing happens on unplug (still lists, and still lists as OK, something deep down has gone bad. Likely VIA trouble - that's my guess...

..tom

By Pim-NL on Wednesday, December 12, 2001 - 02:36 pm:

During game play in Win98SE the USB port suddenly stops working. However, in the "Controller"it still says "OK", even after a refresh. Going to properties indeed, the joysrick is dead!
Why does Win98 see the joystick but not catch it's input? Have an Athlon 1.4.