By Anonymous on Monday, October 28, 2002 - 08:42 am:

So is it safe to say that the the new Mono wheel is better then the old red one if we don't care about the metal loook?

By oqvist on Thursday, October 24, 2002 - 09:37 am:

I saw this wasn´t mentioned. Momo Force got 270 degrees of motion and momo racing 240

By Anonymous on Monday, October 14, 2002 - 06:26 pm:

I would say yes. It seems to have none of that awful loose feeling that exists in the old red steering wheel. It feels more like the original motor. Of course none of the fancy cosmetics of leather, or the metal shifters, or metal pedals.

By Brad on Monday, October 14, 2002 - 09:37 am:

Does the racing wheel have the same "ball bearing" design and the original MOMO?

Thanks

By Tom (Tom) on Thursday, October 10, 2002 - 10:28 pm:

I guess it should be in stores pretty soon. amazon.com has it listed (not yet available, though), but at a steal of $79.99 with no shipping! buy.com has it as well; some online retailers list it as available (for example, http://www.techsavings.com/ProductInfo.asp?idProduct=12834723 or http://www.neutronexpress.com/prod.cfm/201598/LOGITECH/963282-0403/MOMO_RACING_FORCE_WHEEL - note that this is not a recommendation, just a pointer :)

Other than that... excercise some patience, it'll be around soon.

cheers,
..tom

By No.6 on Thursday, October 10, 2002 - 02:11 pm:

Psst ... no news ANYwhere in the gaming press on the release date for this wheel.

I've cludged the old LWFF with the squashball trick (actually, used racquetballs, bit more work but OK) but still, waiting for the good news on the new MOMO.

Any word?

By Tom (Tom) on Thursday, September 19, 2002 - 04:12 pm:

> Now, how do I talk ya into making a HOTAS?

Hmm... with lots of persuasive energy, maybe? :)

..tom

By No.6 on Thursday, September 19, 2002 - 02:35 pm:

Thanks!

Given a choice between a refurb leather-cover MOMO Force with what amounts to the original pedals with fancy covers, and a new rubber-covered MOMO Racing Force with better pedals and a shifter .... I'll be to the store as soon as they're out, I think you just cost ACT Labs a sale of both their shifter and pedal units :)

Now, how do I talk ya into making a HOTAS?

By Tom (Tom) on Thursday, September 19, 2002 - 11:57 am:

Pedals are a matter of taste, for most. We have had fairly extensive evaluations for spring strength, and while I haven't tried a retail unit yet, I would say that it has turned out to be a longer throw and higher stiffness (just like many people requested over the years).

I don't know of any reviews that would have been published at this point, so I guess you will have to excercise a bit of patience just yet...

When will it be available for purchase? I'm not sure, but the fact that it shows up on the main Logitech site means that it'll be available pretty soon :)

..tom

By No.6 on Thursday, September 19, 2002 - 11:42 am:

In stores by now? Can't find it offline or on.

Please describe the new pedals; I am a LWFF original red owner and am on self-exile from GPL for the moment, having reached critical frustration with that pedal design.

The pictures on the main Logi site and a couple other places simply don't answer the key questions; how far is the pedal travel throw and how strong are those springs?

Very pleased to see optical sensors and the shift lever; this is my next wheel if the pedals are sufficient.

By drmilhem on Friday, September 6, 2002 - 06:24 pm:

Fair enough. Thanks for the help!
Would you believe that Crazy Taxi of all things made me decide I needed a Force Feedback wheel?
- Damon

By aidan on Friday, September 6, 2002 - 05:56 pm:

I would say the original one is better assuming price is no object. If you are not in a rush to buy you should see the new one in stores by now so you can evaluate (we already have lots of the final units here in the US) and make the correct choice.

Some pictures of the new wheel are here http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm?page=products/details&CRID=13&CONTENTID=6030&countryid=19&languageid=1

Your comments on the product names is amusing for most of us on the development teams. We often have similiar thoughts :-)

By drmilhem on Friday, September 6, 2002 - 02:57 pm:

So I guess that the sense I'm getting from your answer is that, if price were no object, the original Momo is still the better wheel? Even though the new Momo seems to improve on the design with better button placement and the addition of a shifter? Sorry for all the questions, but I was about a second away from ordering the original Momo when I came across a press release for the new one. Now it's hard to decide whether to wait for the new one (not available anywhere yet). Thanks!

By drmilhem on Friday, September 6, 2002 - 06:25 am:

You wouldn't happen to know of any published reviews on the web or in print for the new wheel would you? I assume somebody got some early demo wheels to review.

Thanks (and thanks for the best controllers on the market)!
- Damon

By drmilhem on Friday, September 6, 2002 - 05:59 am:

Thanks for the info. I guess I'll wait for a review or two on the new wheel. As an aside, why do you guys give different products such similar names? It makes it difficult to look up specific information or be sure you're buying the right thing. For example: the Force vs Force 3D vs Strike Force 3D. Or the Momo Force vs. Momo Racing Force. I think you'd be doing your customers a service if you got a little more distinctive on the product names, or at least add a number or something : ie Momo Force Mach 2; Strike Force X3, etc.

By aidan on Thursday, September 5, 2002 - 09:03 pm:

It should be in stores now. No leather. No external metal (less cosmetics in general). As always there is this price/performance curve but we are happy with the wheel mechanism (which is optical). It is hard to describe these things so it might be best to try it yourself in a store demo.

The pedals are 100% new design different from anything we have done before.

It is not a "bargain downgrade" of the existing MOMO Force, rather it is a new design that I find difficult to compare directly to any of the existing products. I think it sells for $99 so it would need to competetive with the other wheels (Microsoft, Act Labs) at this price.

By drmilhem on Thursday, September 5, 2002 - 07:39 pm:

I'm really looking forward to the release of the new Momo Racing Wheel. I am concerned, however, about what sacrifices were made to bring the wheel in at half the price. The leather wheel and metal pedals I can do without - however I would not want to sacrifice the Momo ball bearing mechanism for something cheaper.

Does the Momo Racing have the same "guts" as the Momo Force, or were some compromises made in the wheel mechanism to reduce the price? Also, are the pedals the same but without the metal (I LIKE the way they pivot and go down) or are they substantially different?

I prefer the button layout on the new wheel, as the original Momo has some buttons that are inaccessible without taking your hands off the wheel. I also like the addition of the shifter knob. This wheel looks like it could be an outstanding value, but I do think more information is needed on whether this is essentially the same as the original Momo, or a bargain downgrade of that wheel we all know and love.

Finally, when will the new wheel be available for purchase?

Thanks!